Thursday, October 9, 2008

On making releases..

So I cut the 2.6.27 release today, and it's always a somewhat anti-climactic thing.

The whole point of a release is that it should be something reasonably stable. Stable enough so that people can take that release and use it as a base for the stable tree, which in turn tends to be a base for most Linux distributions. It doesn't have to be perfect (and obviously no release ever is), but it needs to be in reasonable shape.

Of course, depending on the exact requirements of the distributions (whether it is for specific features they are waiting for or simply due to their timing of releases), any particular kernel release I do will be more or less relevant for most end users. I have little input on that, nor do I actually want to have any. I can only put my mark and say "This is a reasonable base after the craziness that went before".

So in a very real way, a release is just a starting point for further work, but very little of that "further work" is actually things I have anything to do with what-so-ever or much interest in. Yes, I see the patches that are queued up for the stable kernels, but mostly as an observer. And the distributions do their own thing.

So what makes a release anti-climactic is that from a development standpoint - at least as far as I'm concerned - it is inevitably at the end of a gradual slowing down of interest. So to me a release is not so much of a birth of a new kernel version, it's more of a laying-to-rest of an old one. It's also an end to a fairly quiet period.

So I tagged the release five hours ago, and during the few days before that I had barely a score of commits to merge. But now that I have cut the release, my mailbox is starting to come alive with merge requests for the next version - with thousands of commits queuing up for merging in just a few hours, as opposed to the slow trickle in the days that went before.

This is all exactly as it should be, of course, but it still feels bass-ackwards, in that people always talk about the death-march to a release, and how you're supposed to take a well-deserved vacation after the release.

For example, when I worked for Transmeta, the hardware people would basically take a month off after doing a tape-out. That seems somewhat natural just deserts. But when it comes to Linux development the "tape-out" of making a release acts the other way around. The calm was before, now comes the week or two of crazy merging.

Of course, the craziness won't start today. I want to give releases at least one nightly snapshot before I start merging stuff. So tonight, the release is done, and I won't be reading any email at all for a change. I'll need to finish the book I'm reading, since for a couple of weeks I'll not have much time for it.

85 comments:

stevec said...

Hardly surprising, this is pretty much how you've said you want it to be, unless I badly misunderstand the process.

People see a release as -- "Ah! the stable release is out -- now's the time to cram all our new crazy stuff in before the new one becomes too 'stable' and resistant to changes."

Stephen Paul Suarez said...

@stevec if you had a patch for it, don't you want your patch to be published with the release linus just did so people can start enjoying it with this release and not the next? that's what i think he means..

benphane said...

Thanks for the perspective. An informative and enjoyable read.

Unknown said...

Enjoy the book

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Anonymous said...

This makes me quite seriously wonder how you ever take a holiday without being noticed doing so within the community.

Since I've never seen a message such as "no release this month, Linus took a holiday", I have to ask: have you ever taken one without bringing a laptop along?

Roalt Dot Com said...

As a fellow release manager: So how afraid are you that you open your e-mail the next morning and find out that you missed that specific patch that solved a lot of trouble otherwise?

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Faryshta said...

"If it compile is good, if it boot is perfect"

Kasi Viswanath said...

Congratulations for 2.6.27. Have a nice time finishing your book.

Just curios, what book were you reading? Hopefully, not one on Linux Kernel :)

Nick P said...

It is interesting to hear you say that. In my experience, there is a death march to software releases! But, I do get bored when development grows cold and all the testing works really well.... Maybe I should just be thankful the few times that it does happen that way.

PunchSportDrink said...

Well Linus, look at it this way. There are thousands of people that worship the ground you walk on for everything you do.

I can't image a day without coming to work to find my machine just as stable as it was when I left it the day before, nor can I remember a day without all my favorite editors. I also remember vividly the first time I compiled the kernel for this machine. I have no fond memories of days when I used Windows, other than the first time I turned my first computer on.

Keep on trucking!

Cuetzpallin said...

Well I only have to say, enjoy your book, and take a rest...

then you could back to the release .

I'm interested, what is the book you are reading?

Unknown said...

To me this blog post sounds like you're saying - "I'm tired, give me a break". Not saying that you do not deserve one, though, quite the opposite.

Unknown said...

Hey, it makes perfect sense. You know that the Kernel is being readied for release, so any major changes aren't going to be accepted, unless you've uncovered a major league bug. So you sit on your change, until after the release.

Of course this means that Linus has a full inbox the next day :)

The Torrent said...

Enjoy your book!

I also intend to do some quality reading, since I will be on vacation this next coming week.

Im glad but I was a little surprised to see you blogging Linus.

Welcome to the nonsense!

L'uomo del Caffè said...

Enjoy the next "calm before the storm" Linus ;-)

Great job!

Tulkas

NinjaPenguinMaster said...

Hello Linus,

I have a distro and I've been wanting to ask you a question that's been bugging me for a while now. (not to be off topic) and I appreciate your kernel releases because they always have good improvements and I can always rely on older ones for older machines.

My question for you is this: I like the FSF and the Open Source community and all but I have found that with my business (that keeps my distro going) that I just can't fully comply with the FSF's demands of not using non-free as in freedom software and I can't side with the Open Source community because for the most part they seem to argue a lot and they seem to promote the use of non-free software for their day to day activities when perfectly good alternatives exist.

I actually got so fed up after talking to Richard Stallman and everyone that I figured there must be a way for the FSF and Open Source to coexist together and work towards just using Free as in freedom software again. So I decided to write my own philosophy about putting out effort to make the free-software work first before resorting to non-free software alternatives and working to make free-software alternatives that don't yet exist in order to make it possible to use just free-software. I mean how can we comply with Richard Stallman's original intent if there isn't enough free software?

My philosophy is called "The Freedom Software Community" and it has a lot of work as far as explaining exactly what I mean in a way that's acceptable to both Richard Stallman and the rest of the community but I have people working on that in their spare time and trying to make this peace exist between the FSF and Open Source.

So my question for you is would you approve of what I've described above? I also want to ask Eric who coined the phrase Open Source but I can't seem to contact him.

BRANKKO said...

@Justin Breithaupt

It's all about licences, and what do YOU need/want. Linus has already answered about that on simple-talk.
Feel free to use what do you need, not what somebody said it's right. It's your thing.

Anonymous said...

Linus, I wrote a little PC operating system. I take a lot of flak from your fans -- lots are a**holes, so my site is defensive. You might want to check it out. LoseThos

edu90cb said...

Hello there, I'm not a developer, and I don't know anything on programming, but I'll give you my modest opinon, i think that linux will reach everyone and could be the most used OS arround there by doing two things (I don't know how hard are them but...).

The first one would be trying to work with hardware developers to include in our new hardware CD-DVD rom a nice executable file to install our drivers without command line by doing this you (developers) could stop writing all drivers and you could focus into doing real improvements to the kernel.

And second, (I know you might find it stupid), but, at least here in Venezuela (where i live) or any other place on south america what people needs is a port of Windows Live Messenger (the os x one) and Microsoft Office, we all know there's openoffice, but people is affraid of using it, an aliance with MS to develop at least a port of office 2003 (or the mac os x one) to linux would be solution for all that people who wants to use linux but wants to use offfice and messenger.

Maybe i'm not the first one who says that but thats what end user would love to see.

Thanks for reading.!

Unknown said...

hi ,linus
which cpu do you use ?
intel e7200 with 1g memory ?

admin said...

Hi Linus, thanks for becoming a blogger. It is really nice to read your posts. thank you and hope you keep writing.

Unknown said...

Have a look at merging the open source freedom with the ideas of incremental software delivery models such as XP or Scrum. I am sure there are lessons that can be learned from both sides of the camp

Unknown said...

Interesting (and indeed unexpected) to hear about the sadness that comes with each kernel release, but still good to hear that 2.6.27 is out.

I apologize for being off topic, but I just wanted to say thank you for all you have done. And thank you even more for staying true to yourself. I don't know how you managed to stay modest and decent, but to me it makes you all the more great.

I have been active in promoting free software for a little while now and it all would never have been possible if your kernel wasn't such an awesome foundation for ... well everything, really.

Cheers

pierre

Anonymous said...

Anti-climatic? You should be proud, no matter how many new commits are in the queue.

2.6.27 is an extremely important release. It brings us a long way towards supporting the Centrino 2 platform. I have a little shop that sells hardware with guaranteed GNU/Linux compatibility, and every major laptop maker has now switched to Centrino 2 and is phasing out the old models. This makes it very hard to give good advice to buyers, since the old hardware has disappeared and the new hardware won't work properly with current distros.

2.6.27 changes most of that :)

Ritesh Nair said...

that is a great writeup. I am mostly a windows fanboy or so many may call me. But the work you put in for making a release so 'Bang' and 'Important' is what i guess keeps teh spirit alive. And yes sir I am thankful linux was there for me to learn a lot about the hardware back in 1996 when pcquest put up the spring cd with 1.2.2 (I think that was the version ) i was wondering what the hell it was and 6 months later i was into installing linux and a year later ensuring the SIS 6326 chip could run the Xwindows. Not many people have influenced me as much as you have sir. And i am looking forward to seeing a Linux box being handled exceptionally well by me someday maybe when I get time and patience to learn it completely, until then it will be me using the gui config interface to modify the kernel. Hats off to you.
I wish you time's gift to do all you ever wanted.

Ritesh Nair

Anonymous said...

well, most guys around r surely crazy about a new release, confusing..

Gozzin said...

Hi Linus,I'm pleased your becoming a blogger.
I also wanted to thank you for creating Linux. It's truly a thing of wonder!

Vinay hosamani said...

Can i see your "work station" that thing which you used for the current version and compare it with the one you used years ago for the first release of the kernel. just curiuos :p

Ty said...

I know this is off topic and may sound "gay" but I just want to say thank you Linus for all your hard work! Years and years of work and ideas that you and all the other developers have put in to the Linux kernel.

If it was not for Linux I probably would not even be in the computer field. I started a non profit youth center in Washington DC running on nothing but open source and Linux.

I read my email from Gmail and I watch my TV through Tivo. All because of you and those who work making Linux great!

Again thank you again!

I know you get everything everyone would ever want, fame, money, awards etc. Just wanted to give you a thank you for a lowly in the trench computer tech.

THANKS. :-)

Daniel said...

"Rotary Wombat" again? :) You forgot to change the name :D. Please do not forget in 2.6.28. I like those strange names ;).

Jeronimo Zucco said...

Nice blog! Keep writing for us, Linus.

chemonz said...

kernel panic on my system.... oooh my god! kkkkkkk


nice blog

Jens Staal said...

Justin. If I am correct I think Stallman is hoping to start competing with Linux by using Hurd (whether it will finally be built on top of Mach or Minix3 is an open question - pun intended). So what we can hope for is that the "GNU fanatics" will leave the rest of the Linux community alone whenever the Hurd reaches such a maturity that the interfaces (desktop environments etc) /programs running on top of Linux also can run on Hurd. Apparently there are already some kind of Debian/Hurd and Debian/Minix projects ongoing...

Personally, I do not see a problem with some people focusing on Open Source as a development model with the good side-effect that you do not get lock-ins (and also to get a bit more "market cred") and a more purist Free Software fraction. As long as many things will be worked on in common (like KDE etc) all will benefit.

Janne said...

Yes, the lull between the releases works the other way too: I just cut RC1 of JSPWiki 2.8 since nobody had complained about it for a couple of weeks ;-). Now the floodgates will be open again...

Tom said...

Linus, very interesting. Could you tell us more meta infos about your work.

Like ... do you still use MicroEmacs (JASSPA or original?) and Pine?? ESRs FAQ about you seems to be really outdated.
It would be interesting so see what tools you use and which programms you run.
Are you really running KDE4 on Fedora?

Jike Song said...

@Kragil: I guess Linus doesn't like KDE4, because KDE4 is poorly customizable, more or less similar as GNOME or Windows ..

Anyway, it's only a guess. I have googled several times for Linus' point at KDE4, but got nothing useful.

Unknown said...

First off good show with 2.6.27 I'm sure our school is aching to play with it.

Next I want to welcome you to blogging. Guessing from the deleted comments you'll already run into dark side of this community. May need to move to approve before posting.

Bad Brains said...

Hey, Linus. Check out my blog. I am a Linux user and mine is a variety of things ranging from the environment to activism to punk rock. I even have some things about software patents and what Microsoft tries to get away with.
http://paganloremagick.blogspot.com/

- Bad Bleeding Brains

NinjaPenguinMaster said...

LoseThos

I would like to get in contact with you. Not to get off topic here but I don't know how else to contact you. Please go to www.ultumix.com and use the contact info there to reach me. I believe I can help you with your flack by providing you with some inside info Richard Stallman gave me about PR that will make them be quiet.

Tom said...

Hey Linus, regarding releases ...

It is really about time to change the version numbers.

How about:

year.month.minor

year= two digit year of the merge window
month= two digit month of the merge window
minor= fixes ( service packs, updates )

So 2.6.28 would become 8.10.0
next one would probably be 9.1.0

OK, it sounds like Ubuntu and that is why a lot of people will hate it but it just makes sense and it is what most people use. So the version numbering is already understood by a lot of people.

Advantages:
-most user space tools will not break ( unless they are buggy and need fixing anyways. That is just a wild guess on my part though ;)
-you don't have to predict when the kernel will be released because you use the merge window for the name, that way it represents the state of the development pretty good IMHO
-relatively short
-meaningful
-way better for mere mortals and for marketing ;)

Disadvantage:
In 2100 you will get a problem. I guess you can call that a minor problem.


Alternatively you could use release instead of month. You would gain a slightly smaller number but loose some meaning. Like 9.3.0 instead of 9.10.0 for a October release.

Anonymous said...

Feel good......

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- said...

I know many people have said this before, and I'm aware I'm not going to say anything new, but I'm going to risk it anyway:

Thank you for everything. I know you probably don't want to be told things like "You have changed the world! thanks for the inspiration, blah blah blah, etc., etc.", but the truth is you have changed the world. And no everyday one has the opportunity to thank directly and personally a person who has (somehow inadvertently and perhaps even unwillingly at first) been at least the initiator of so many great things. So, simply, thank you so much.

Faryshta said...

Hey mr torvalds.

Please keep this blog going, is very amazing to follow your blog.

Jarod said...

maybe linus need one alone spaces?
:)

vebov said...

Thanks for the perspective and informative.

Raphre said...

Good job on the new release. Im a bit confused on how that new FS works though...

said...

Moi hast some, not sum, basic concept of what is bein' spoken of here.

Stay on groovin' safari,
Tor

MADrod said...

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enjoy the book.
bye

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Jens Staal said...

@Mahamanmutto...whatever...

Linus är svenskpråkig :P

kozmcrae said...

Off Topic.

You've been renamed. From the Boston Globe: "Linux, the world's leading open source software derivative, was invented in 1991 by Lars Torvald, a Finnish scientist."

I suppose they'll get a torrent of corrections.
Link: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/10/26/finding_our_next_sputnik/

Anonymous said...

I agree with whoever said that you probably wouldn't like KDE4 given how unstable it is and whatnot, but it would be really interesting to read a blog entry about KDE4 from you, especially since you were praising KDE over GNOME.

Dertes said...

Cool.

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